3DS Emulator Citra Is Dead, Along With Switch Emulator Yuzu

Yuzu is unfortunately understandable, but Citra? Like, come ON, if there's no way to legally access these games anymore, I think an emulator becomes a noble pursuit in game preservation.

I mean, whatever, they'll still be available online because the internet, but it's a shame that active development is over.

Nintendo being awful as usual.
Emulators like Citra have been an amazing way for me to enjoy the games that I already own, unshackled from the hand-cramping controllers, low resolutions, and sluggish performance that Nintendo hardware tends to bring.

Ridiculous. I'm guessing they just didn't want to keep up with the costs of the lawsuit even though they were almost certainly in the clear (it's not illegal to hack a console to get its decryption keys, and even if it is, Tropic Haze isn't responsible so long as it's not providing the keys with their emulator). Emulators have long been cleared legally and it's a shame Nintendo's bully tactics have caused the team to buckle. Hopefully some other dev team takes up the reigns; Nintendo fans are nuts when it comes to their devotion to emulation and console hacking.

@smoreon @FirMatt Citra already works, and a lot of the forks are better. So it's not too affected here.

Just another head they cut off; a multiplier of 2x heads just came to take its place…their “crusade” is just pointless I tells you

Thankfully, I already got a new new n2ds xl a couple of months before 😃

Man I despise yuzu, I have no problem with emulation for gaming preservation (got analogue pocket for it too), but emulating current gen games is just piracy and make whole emulation scene looks bad. At least wait for a 2 generation before emulating the games.

@wiiware I actually generally agree with this, and I emulate A LOT. Honestly switch emulation ruined r/EmulationOnAndroid.

@wiiware For what it's worth, the GBA, DS, and Wii all had very active emulation scenes during their initial run. Bleem and Connectix literally competed with the PS1 and both won against Sony in court, only losing the war because Sony bled them dry. There is no good emulation or bad emulation, only emulation.

Citra is a victim of association. They wanted an example made. Yet at the same time, I can sort of see Nintendo's point (and this is coming as a fan of emulation tinkering). I think emulation is amazing and practically the only way for an average person to play backups etc of games on ageing hardware. But with Switch emulators, yes there are devices that can run Switch games at higher quality but as a current gen system that is still launching large games, of course it was going to be used for piracy. When TOTK launched, half the internet was awash with people showing them playing on Yuzu on various devices (a lot before launch). It will have absolutely had an impact on sales. I mean for a brief moment, Valve even had an emulated game on some Steam Deck publicity material. Add in the fact that the devs had a patreon page and.. well, Nintendo are gonna Nintendo.

@mariteaux I disagree with that, emulation for current system isn't good for everyone, for nintendo because their game will be pirated and for emulation scenes itself because now there's possibility nintendo will sue other emulators.

Well as long as there's no money involved (the emulators isn't supported by patreon) it's fine I guess.

@Poodlestargenerica What were they (yuzu) thinking, they know emulation is a bit of grey area, especially current gen, and yet they put yuzu in steamdeck, and of all things, android, where millions of people can play switch games on their phones, not to mention getting up to $30.000 on patreon, sigh.

Yep, just Nintendo being a terrible company as usual.

@wiiware Let's be real: this is not Tropic Haze having done anything illegal. This is Nintendo being a bully. I don't think that cowering to a bully with no legal standing using their expensive lawyers to shut down fan projects is particularly great. Emulators are not illegal, regardless of if they're making money. That might make it look a little less kosher, but if I'm not selling Nintendo code, IP, or decryption keys, everything is aboveboard. Connectix VGS was a physical boxed product and the court found that the act of being able to play those games in another medium was transformative enough to be fair use.

I don't mind people thinking Yuzu is optically bad, but this is Nintendo being awful to talented people who have committed no crime and I genuinely hate that they have to cower before them.

EDIT: If anyone's concerned about the sales about new games that are playable on Yuzu, perhaps Nintendo and other devs should meet the market demand and produce a native PC version. Piracy is not an issue with goods, it's an issue with services. Time and again, if you produce a better product than the pirates, the pirates lose. This is exactly what iTunes found; P2P filesharing and torrenting went down when it was introduced and has gone back up with streaming-only releases and rollouts that are consumer unfriendly. Make a better product than the pirates and beat the pirates instead of bullying a dev team.

@mariteaux Citra is closed because yuzu company (tropic haze) is the owner, if citra isn't made by tropic maze I'm sure nintendo won't care about it.

Completely disagree about your take on nintendo on pc, the reason nintendo switch sold more than 100M is because they have exclusive games, the reason zelda and mario isn't filled with microtransaction because they know the exclusive games are the one that will make people buy the switch, selling their games on pc just make less people buy their console.

@wiiware I'm not really sure what prompted the paragraph about Citra, since I was talking about Yuzu.

I'm glad Nintendo has a system seller! Good for them! My message had nothing to do with why Switches move. My point is if that Switch emulation is such a big market that they need to put big boy legal moves on an emulator team that hasn't committed a crime or infringed on their work, maybe they should actually cater to that market instead. Someone else can develop a Switch emulator and the process starts over again. Their plan won't work. Emulation can't be stopped. Serve the market and customers instead of being a legal bully.

@mariteaux I think nintendo prefer to actually have exclusive games that sells a lot of console and stomped the switch emulation scene instead rather than sells their games on pc. I can't blame them, games emulation are wonderful things but emulating this gen games is just wrong and hurt publishers.

That just my opinion btw, it's okay if you have different opinion, we should just agree to disagree.