Some Fans Have Issues With Gradius Origins, And They Have A Point

All the omissions are the Gradius games that would have got me excited for this. Really, I'm just hoping there's a Parodius collection afterwards.

Mostly just would have liked Gaiden included.

But it seems like they were attempting to even out the Gradius to Salamander ratio.

I'll never understand why they just don't include more games on these compilations but another issue is on Playstation, there is only a PS5 version. Which means that because of Sonys stupidity (greed), my arcade stick won't work on it

The excellent MSX games aren't there either but I still think this looks like an excellent collection and the addition of Salamander III makes it a must buy.

There's enough missing that they could do a great volume 2.

I can't play NES Gradius 1 now without having the arcade improvement patch installed. It even ups the number of options you can have (I think this is another game nerfed to stymie rentals). So unless they include that, it's not much of an omission.

That said, I do prefer SNES Gradius III to the arcade as it's much easier (and I've patched the ROM to give the best ending on all difficulties 😂).

I'd probably still get the collection just for Salamander 3, although it is a shame they didn't include ReBirth now that it's completely unavailable.

A comprehensive collection certainly would have been more exciting. There's enough here to be interested, but only in a "wait until it's on sale" kind of way.

I guess if your once legendary brand has been reduced to just releasing compliations of former glory, it's dangerous to release everything all at once and have nothing left to sell.

@Jellyscare I think I'd really only want the X68000's Nemesis 90 Kai.

The choppy MSX scrolling would be kind of rough to deal with these days.

This is a case, once again, of people being upset that that games NOT ADVERTISED for the collection were not included. Grow up.

@Jarl76 "I mean, it called ORIGINS, not COMPLETE collection. Some people are just clueless...'

I don't know where to start with responding to this one.

• There is an established precedent for including home versions of games alongside their arcade versions. So the complaint of home ports being omitted when their arcade parent is included , is a valid complaint.
• As you say it's called Origins, which doesn't explain the presence of a completely new game. Just because this is called origins does not mean there will be further packs, it can either mean the Origin of the series or it can also mean its the first "volume", but we won't know about the latter until they announce it. This may or may not be a one off. So again this is a valid question to ask why a brand new game is on the "Origin" collection but existing games aren't.

Now you are right about latter games like Gradius III, but I would suggest that calling out other people as being clueless while at the same time showing your own lack of clue is not a good look.

the people demand Castlevania 3D Collection where 64 and Legacy have full right-stick camera control

@BulkSlash ar the very least, they should do a collection of those Rebirth games

I do think it sucks that some of the later Gradius titles aren't included, but the collection itself seems cool. I mean the fact we're getting a new game overall kinda makes up for the lack of other titles for the time being. The console versions are cool, but this is in a similar boat to the Capcom Fighting Collections where they aren't seen as the base definitive version, probably more so for these considering most versions of these titles have pretty much almost the same content. My only real issue is that this collection is kinda expensive compared to Konami's other collections, but I guess I should of assumed this as such since it's being developed and priced like a ShotTriggers release

If there's money in those hills...

The only saving grace is Salamander 3, alot of wasted opportunities. Fortunately I still have a PS2 to play IV & V on. Gradius rebirth should definitely be here. I will still buy for Salamander 3 though.

Since it is M2 I will probably buy it, still, it really is a mystery why Gradius V isn't ported to anything yet... I luckily have the ps2 version, and it still looks amazing, but so many Konami collections out there, and so many ports of ikaruga (and recently radiant silver gun)

@87th I imagine Sexy Parodius alone bumped the PSP collection rating from A to C. (though I'm not too familiar, the franchise didn't get that horny before?)

Well its called the Gradius origins collection, not Gradius complete collection.

These kind of complaints are mostly people showing off about how they love a more obscure game.

Getting a new Salamander game is incredibly cool and way more than anyone should have expected

I would've liked the home console versions, but the only one that's really arguable as an improvement is the SNES version of Gradius III. The rest are just the best versions of them. Hard to get upset.

The home console versions, while cool, are pale imitations of the arcade IMO.

They're nice to have, but they aren't essential in an "origins" collection.

I'm sure the next Gradius collection will include them along with Gaiden, IV, etc.

Some people are never satisfied. Console and computer versions of Gradius are nice and interesting but considering the 8 and 16bit era the arcade versions are the real deal. Heck, I grew up playing the solid c64 versions of Gradius and Salamander but would never expect them on this compilation. The origins of Gradius and Salamander are the arcade titles. IV and V marked the end of an era and belong in a separate compilation that will hopefully do them justice because V is basically the pinnacle of the franchise.

@KennDogg No it isn't, it's people complaining because they already own most of the games on the collection and would like to see something interesting and different for once. The lack of Gradius V, Rebirth and Gaiden means I won't be buying this.

If we're talking origins, where's Scramble? Lol

I don’t doubt M2 knows what people would like to have access to. I don’t know how much sway they have with the publishers when these cuts are made. Game compilations have always left out some good stuff adjacent to the games selected. I do think businesses like M2 and Hamster are interested in the full catalogue and history.

Salamander 3 alone makes the collection worth it to me. The rest of the games I can already play on my MiSTer anyway in various forms.

@segasteve

I can't think of anything more new than a brand new game (Salamander III)
And Salamander 2 hasn't been re-released since 2007 and never outside of Japan.

Rebirth, V and Gaiden are all great games - I'm way more excited for a new game in the series though

@Jarl76 I mean yes that makes sense...But for me, if this collection doesnt sell enough than we wont get another collection with the other games.

Isn't that pretty much par for the course with these types of collections these days? Some have baffling ommissions, and such collections frankly give me an error in my head.

@AllieKitsune Maybe so but they're unique versions of the games (well, 2 and 3 are) and should be preserved for historical importance.

Besides which, the impact of the scrolling has been grossly exaggerated over the years. They're still very playable and fun.

Gradius III is the reason I got into SHMUPs. Salamander 2 has a soundtrack so incredible that I imported it. Of course I'm buying this.

If they find a way to incorporate the unused music from Salamander 2 into Salamander 3, I'll experience rapture on the spot.