@smoreon @AJB83 I've heard gank and yank used in the same context
Either way, Sega is leaving money on the table by ignoring fans who want buy these games and have legal means of playing them, beyond the 30+ year old hard and software. ( and I do loves me my physical Saturn collection )
Why stop at one option, let them release, Physical collections Mini consoles and downloads. As long as we can buy them, and equally important, play them.
As long as its not the same line up, of the usual damn Megadrive suspects. ( which ironically was once one of the best collections ever available with 50 games to a disc. That library has been so flogged its become glue )
As usual in typical Sega style they are shotgunning themselves in the foot. ....while gnawing off the other.
I remember the laptop well, it was a huge ugly beast. One of those humongous thick grey Toshiba laptops. A pentium II 233 with 32 MB of ram and a 4 gig hd running Windows 98 SE. A Toshiba Satellite 4000CDT.
I spend a lot of time with and it could just about run The Sims 1 and Midtown Madness 2 as wel as other games.
These days i use a 2010 dell i3 running Windows 7 for xp era games and GOG games. And a pentium III Compaq laptop for Win 9X games ( ie anything that wont run under 7 or xp )
I dont have my original Toshiba anymore but i do have one like it, cause i like the fugly thing. ( one of the few times i give in to nostalgia)
I think that's more a malaise in western culture as a whole. New is "better" because its new, that equals better. Old is useless cause old, and old is obsolete.
My first computer was a Pentium II ( laptop) I spend way too much time behind that ugly thing.
@no_donatello A small fortune for the Saturn period. A lot of those games are obscenely expensive. Woe be unto you and your wallet if you want all three Magic Knight Rayearths.
@Poltergeist8606 You don't say. Not too mention different systems, different architectures, run different kinds of software and have a 7 year age gap.
Nor are they obsolete they stil are able to run retro games, this very article alone proves they are just old. If something has a use case whatever that may be they are not obsolete.
@jesse_dylan I have seen one C64 in person over here and that was at a Cash Converters. I also seen one Apple II that was in a specialist store. Seen plenty of pc's and macs though.
Classic, compact, imac and all sorts of macs. I own several of those.
Never had any of the home computers like a C64, Amiga, ST, or MSX . That was before my time.
@no_donatello "ackthually" Ages started on the Saturn and was then carried on through on the PS2. The NX version is the third iteration, but it was Sega's best showing. I just wish they ported the ps2 games as well.
That too much effort time and money for the casual gamer though. They just want something easy to plug in turn on and play 10 min for their nostalgia hit.
They re not like the "hardcore" weirdo's like us who actually like to play these things for more then just a nostalgia novelty.
But newer retro games should have to rely on ancient hardware to play old games there is a place for mini consoles. I really want to get in to the PC engine and the mini looks the part and has a great selection of games.
@Steel76
Not just that but when the sky and imagination was the limit and anything was game, games were unbridled in their ambition and brimming with imagination.
Compared to the samey garbage we get year in and year out nowadays.
It's not all gloom and doom, but the ps2 and 360 eras were better as far as gaming was concerned ,especially compared to the 9th generation.
A stil birth if i ever saw one.
By the time we hit the 14th gen the industry has hopefully had another crash to shake things up again.
Either that or by then EA MS and sony have devoured all other companies
Truly the worst outcome.
@no_donatello Remember Sega Forever and how that went nowhere ? Sega Ages was actually their best stab at it so of course it was Japan only.
Sega has destroyed my interest in the Megadrive by rehashing the same set of games over and over again. Because I am so sick of them. And the Megadrive II was my first console, go figure.
@MikeOrator @MikeOrator I wouldn't want any GTA game because they aged very badly and rockstar is stil using the same nearly 30 year old design. ( and that comment probably put me on several different black lists)
Would compilations like Metal Slug Anthology be considered cheating ?
I doubt Sony would Make one their idea of an anniversary is a half assed color scheme on limited edition hardware thats near unobtanium.
@MagicEmperor That would be Kings Fields 3 Beause naming shenanigans ! They skipped 1 in the west 2 was the first released in the west and got its number lopped off. And 3 got re-titled as 2. Shades of FF just not as convoluted.
@RejectedAng3L Oh god yes, I am so so so so so ***** tired of seeing the same 16 bit titles and sanic games getting rehashed til they are transparent.
Sega has a massive backlog In arcade Saturn And Dreamcast titles, which they just ignore. If its not the Megadrive it might as well not exist to them anymore.
Just a "muhstalgia" cash in company and a Sanic factory apparently. Sega as usual shoots it self in the foot. People are willing to pay money for being able to play these games in a cheap convenient and legal way.
@Pillowpants So much of the DNA and basic gameplay of Ocarina has bled through in to the newer Zelda games ( and other games too for that matter ) that going back to Ocarina is a bit of a shock.
The game looks feels and plays very basic. The block puzzles are boring and the water temple is evil.
But like Mario 64 it's what Ocarinas has done for gaming , a giant leap and all that, that sets it apart. Not what it is 30 years later anymore.
@no_donatello The PS5 is a huge unwieldy hideous monster. It outchunks the PS3 which is already a bloated mess And that thing looks like a grill.
Personally I think Sega could have made the Saturn smaller. I got a Skeleton Saturn, which is partially translucent ( with a Saroo it looks like a techno Christmas tree ) and it shows how much empty space there is in the Saturn.
Might be good for airflow, but the machine could have been lower. Making the controller ports not look so small and cramped probably also helps.
@RetroGames The Saturn is a unwieldy ugly beast. But its positively tiny compared to the Goldstar 3DO, the 2001 Xbox, which is both massive and dense, i use it as a TV stand.
But the frontloader Neo Geo CD I got is even bigger then that. I wouldn't dare use that as a TV stand though.
@Tasuki VF has always been a bit bare bones in both story and its characters. Even the ending is a bit flat if there even is an ending Usually there isn't.
VF was always more impressive in its technical abilities either graphical or technical. It's not nearly as memorable as Street Fighter or Tekken or Soul Calibur.
At the start of this year I wanted to make a dent in my backlog and finish at least 40 games. When I hit that goal I decided to keep going, and I'm at 86 now.
That's cool and all but i'd rather see these games get released ina seperate collection. And not embedded in a totally different game. Yakuza/Like a Dragon, are fine games but i don't always want to boot up one of them trek to an arcade and then go through the motions just to play Daytona 2.
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Re: Sega's Western CEO Isn't Interested In Saturn And Dreamcast Mini Consoles
@smoreon @AJB83
I've heard gank and yank used in the same context
Either way, Sega is leaving money on the table by ignoring fans who want buy these games and have legal means of playing them, beyond the 30+ year old hard and software.
( and I do loves me my physical Saturn collection )
Why stop at one option, let them release, Physical collections Mini consoles and downloads.
As long as we can buy them, and equally important, play them.
As long as its not the same line up, of the usual damn Megadrive suspects.
( which ironically was once one of the best collections ever available with 50 games to a disc. That library has been so flogged its become glue )
As usual in typical Sega style they are shotgunning themselves in the foot.
....while gnawing off the other.
Re: Random: This US Bakery Still Uses A Commodore 64 For Sales In 2024
@jesse_dylan
I remember the laptop well, it was a huge ugly beast.
One of those humongous thick grey Toshiba laptops.
A pentium II 233 with 32 MB of ram and a 4 gig hd running Windows 98 SE.
A Toshiba Satellite 4000CDT.
I spend a lot of time with and it could just about run The Sims 1 and Midtown Madness 2 as wel as other games.
These days i use a 2010 dell i3 running Windows 7 for xp era games and GOG games.
And a pentium III Compaq laptop for Win 9X games ( ie anything that wont run under 7 or xp )
I dont have my original Toshiba anymore but i do have one like it, cause i like the fugly thing.
( one of the few times i give in to nostalgia)
Re: Sega's Western CEO Isn't Interested In Saturn And Dreamcast Mini Consoles
@no_donatello
Just got my hands on Parodius Da for the Saturn.
Quite pleased with that.
Re: Random: This US Bakery Still Uses A Commodore 64 For Sales In 2024
@jesse_dylan
I think that's more a malaise in western culture as a whole.
New is "better" because its new, that equals better.
Old is useless cause old, and old is obsolete.
My first computer was a Pentium II ( laptop)
I spend way too much time behind that ugly thing.
Re: Sega's Western CEO Isn't Interested In Saturn And Dreamcast Mini Consoles
@no_donatello
A small fortune for the Saturn period.
A lot of those games are obscenely expensive.
Woe be unto you and your wallet if you want all three Magic Knight Rayearths.
Re: Sega's Western CEO Isn't Interested In Saturn And Dreamcast Mini Consoles
@AJB83
I'd prefer a mini console.
It has the looks, the proper controller, easy to set up.
And they cant gank the games out from under you.
Re: Random: This US Bakery Still Uses A Commodore 64 For Sales In 2024
@Poltergeist8606
You don't say.
Not too mention different systems, different architectures, run different kinds of software and have a 7 year age gap.
Nor are they obsolete they stil are able to run retro games, this very article alone proves they are just old.
If something has a use case whatever that may be they are not obsolete.
Re: Random: This US Bakery Still Uses A Commodore 64 For Sales In 2024
@jesse_dylan
I have seen one C64 in person over here and that was at a Cash Converters.
I also seen one Apple II that was in a specialist store.
Seen plenty of pc's and macs though.
Classic, compact, imac and all sorts of macs.
I own several of those.
Never had any of the home computers like a C64, Amiga, ST, or MSX .
That was before my time.
Re: Sega's Western CEO Isn't Interested In Saturn And Dreamcast Mini Consoles
@Daze_of_Reality
No dual analog controllers also didn't help.
Lots of these games are pretty diabolical with the D pad.
I didnt even need rumble just the analog sticks would have gone a long way.
Least the machine is redeemed by being so easy to hack its not even a hack, more plug and play.
Re: Anniversary: 30 Years Ago, Elden Ring And Dark Souls Dev FromSoftware Released Its "Mind-Boggling" Debut
@MagicEmperor
@MagicEmperor
4 on the ps4 lost its IV but I think that's all that they changed.
Modders released a language patch for the FIRST Kings Field.
As if the titles weren't confusing enough as is.
I just refer to it as Kings Field 1994, i think that's the easiest way to go about it.
I dont think the original game was ever re released in the west but I could be wrong.
Re: Sega's Western CEO Isn't Interested In Saturn And Dreamcast Mini Consoles
@slider1983
Thats actually the problem Sega has had for 30 years now ever since the schism between SOJ and SOA in 1994.
The company doesnt know what it wants to do, or even what its doing.
Half the time it just fart arses about.
Re: Sega's Western CEO Isn't Interested In Saturn And Dreamcast Mini Consoles
@no_donatello
"ackthually" Ages started on the Saturn and was then carried on through on the PS2.
The NX version is the third iteration, but it was Sega's best showing.
I just wish they ported the ps2 games as well.
Re: Sega's Western CEO Isn't Interested In Saturn And Dreamcast Mini Consoles
@Sketcz
That too much effort time and money for the casual gamer though.
They just want something easy to plug in turn on and play 10 min for their nostalgia hit.
They re not like the "hardcore" weirdo's like us who actually like to play these things for more then just a nostalgia novelty.
But newer retro games should have to rely on ancient hardware to play old games there is a place for mini consoles.
I really want to get in to the PC engine and the mini looks the part and has a great selection of games.
Re: If PS2 Launched In 2024, This Is What Its Reveal Trailer Would Look Like
@Steel76
Not just that but when the sky and imagination was the limit and anything was game, games were unbridled in their ambition and brimming with imagination.
Compared to the samey garbage we get year in and year out nowadays.
It's not all gloom and doom, but the ps2 and 360 eras were better as far as gaming was concerned ,especially compared to the 9th generation.
A stil birth if i ever saw one.
By the time we hit the 14th gen the industry has hopefully had another crash to shake things up again.
Either that or by then EA MS and sony have devoured all other companies
Truly the worst outcome.
Re: Sega's Western CEO Isn't Interested In Saturn And Dreamcast Mini Consoles
@no_donatello
Remember Sega Forever and how that went nowhere ?
Sega Ages was actually their best stab at it so of course it was Japan only.
Sega has destroyed my interest in the Megadrive by rehashing the same set of games over and over again.
Because I am so sick of them.
And the Megadrive II was my first console, go figure.
Re: If PS2 Launched In 2024, This Is What Its Reveal Trailer Would Look Like
@MikeOrator
@MikeOrator
I wouldn't want any GTA game because they aged very badly and rockstar is stil using the same nearly 30 year old design. ( and that comment probably put me on several different black lists)
Would compilations like Metal Slug Anthology be considered cheating ?
I doubt Sony would Make one their idea of an anniversary is a half assed color scheme on limited edition hardware thats near unobtanium.
But hope springs eternal and all that.
Re: Anniversary: 30 Years Ago, Elden Ring And Dark Souls Dev FromSoftware Released Its "Mind-Boggling" Debut
Josh Strife Hayes also has a pretty decent take on the series as he plays through them.
Currently we ( ie his audience) are waiting for the third game to drop.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dqLvFXuKuqM
and
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1SIA_2ispc
@MagicEmperor
That would be Kings Fields 3
Beause naming shenanigans !
They skipped 1 in the west 2 was the first released in the west and got its number lopped off.
And 3 got re-titled as 2.
Shades of FF just not as convoluted.
Re: Ubisoft Defrosts Rayman For Cynical Blockchain Outing, Captain Laserhawk: The G.A.M.E.
@Razieluigi
They would delude themselves in to saying they like it.
Re: If PS2 Launched In 2024, This Is What Its Reveal Trailer Would Look Like
@MikeOrator
That be a very difficult question.
The PS2 library is so vast, I'm not sure what I would want to see on a hypothetical ps2 mini.
Re: Ubisoft Defrosts Rayman For Cynical Blockchain Outing, Captain Laserhawk: The G.A.M.E.
Guess Ubisoft is stil working hard at that slow suicide march, after they took over the baton from Konami.
For being clueless and out of touch.
Re: Sega's Western CEO Isn't Interested In Saturn And Dreamcast Mini Consoles
@RejectedAng3L
Oh god yes, I am so so so so so ***** tired of seeing the same 16 bit titles and sanic games getting rehashed til they are transparent.
Sega has a massive backlog In arcade Saturn And Dreamcast titles, which they just ignore.
If its not the Megadrive it might as well not exist to them anymore.
Re: Sega's Western CEO Isn't Interested In Saturn And Dreamcast Mini Consoles
Just a "muhstalgia" cash in company and a Sanic factory apparently.
Sega as usual shoots it self in the foot.
People are willing to pay money for being able to play these games in a cheap convenient and legal way.
Re: Random: This US Bakery Still Uses A Commodore 64 For Sales In 2024
Well its not like these things are rare.
Especially not in the USA.
I often see Adrian Black messing about with no less then 5 of the buggers.
Some places are still using 486's or older as well.
Things are only old not obsolete.
Re: Hands On: Genki And 8BitDo's PocketPro Collaboration Is Neat, If A Little Pointless
@RetroMasters
The purple is only on the American Snes.
The rest of the world and different parts of the west have the four color buttons.
Re: Crush 40 Singer Suing Sega Over Ownership Of Sonic Adventure 2's 'Live & Learn'
@Coolmusic
Money does odd things to people.
Doubt we wil ever know the full story behind this.
Re: Alwa's Legacy Dev Wants To Port The Game To The Mega Drive / Genesis
Looks very Megadrive.
Hope it has that metallic twang as well.
Re: Crush 40 Singer Suing Sega Over Ownership Of Sonic Adventure 2's 'Live & Learn'
@Coolmusic
More like he got a whiff of big money and is trying to cash in.
Re: Mario 64 Modder Explains Why N64 Has More RAM Than You Think
@Pillowpants
So much of the DNA and basic gameplay of Ocarina has bled through in to the newer Zelda games ( and other games too for that matter ) that going back to Ocarina is a bit of a shock.
The game looks feels and plays very basic.
The block puzzles are boring and the water temple is evil.
But like Mario 64 it's what Ocarinas has done for gaming , a giant leap and all that, that sets it apart.
Not what it is 30 years later anymore.
Personally I like Majora much more better.
Re: Mario 64 Modder Explains Why N64 Has More RAM Than You Think
@no_donatello
The PS5 is a huge unwieldy hideous monster.
It outchunks the PS3 which is already a bloated mess
And that thing looks like a grill.
Personally I think Sega could have made the Saturn smaller.
I got a Skeleton Saturn, which is partially translucent ( with a Saroo it looks like a techno Christmas tree ) and it shows how much empty space there is in the Saturn.
Might be good for airflow, but the machine could have been lower.
Making the controller ports not look so small and cramped probably also helps.
Re: Four King Of Fighters Classics Are Getting Limited Editions Across PS4 And Switch
@Zeebor15
Dialogue cutscenes between matches and ancillary media.
Re: For $275, You Can Have A PSP In Home Console Form
@FirestormDDash
And the ability to use bluetooth controllers.
Wether that is worth it, is up to the individual.
I'm personally not keen on handheld gaming.
Re: Infamous Trademark Troll Tim Langdell Is Back, And He Wants You To Buy His Dusty Old ZX Spectrum Book
Langdell is still alive ?
I thought he was lying under an edge shaped gravestone by now.
Re: Mario 64 Modder Explains Why N64 Has More RAM Than You Think
@RetroGames
The Saturn is a unwieldy ugly beast.
But its positively tiny compared to the Goldstar 3DO, the 2001 Xbox, which is both massive and dense, i use it as a TV stand.
But the frontloader Neo Geo CD I got is even bigger then that.
I wouldn't dare use that as a TV stand though.
Re: "The Wildest Interview I Have Ever Conducted" - The SuperSega Saga Just Keeps Getting Better
Maybe it IS performance art.
It's just a saga now.
A very strange one.
Re: Paper Peepshows, Wargame History And Pooping Mascots – My Spanish Retro Gaming Adventure
@mandlecreed
I came here to say the exact same thing.
It was the 2016 christmas special, and he had several on display.
Re: Here's A Better Look At The Promising "All-In-One" MiSTer FPGA Console, Multisystem 2
I am more curious if the damn thing will be unobtanium or not.
Re: Virtua Fighter 2 Is Getting A Physical Release On Xbox
@Tasuki
VF has always been a bit bare bones in both story and its characters.
Even the ending is a bit flat if there even is an ending
Usually there isn't.
VF was always more impressive in its technical abilities either graphical or technical.
It's not nearly as memorable as Street Fighter or Tekken or Soul Calibur.
Re: Virtua Fighter 2 Is Getting A Physical Release On Xbox
Damn it.
I may actually kinda want to pick this up.
Next do Daytona and Sega Rally !!
Re: Retro Indie Title "Moons of Darsalon" Is Headed To Consoles, Complete With Icky AI Art
Won't be picking this up.
Not because of icky AI art. the game it self just doesn't appeal to me.
Re: Like A Dragon: Pirate Yakuza In Hawaii Will Mark The Home Debut Of This Sega Light Gun Coin-Op
@Zeebor15
The series has always been kinda bat guano to be honest.
It is getting crazier though.
Re: Like A Dragon: Pirate Yakuza In Hawaii Will Mark The Home Debut Of This Sega Light Gun Coin-Op
@Right_Said_Brett
Tried that.
Didn't like it.
Too much hassle.
I just want a Sega sanction M2 developed collection of retro Sega Arcade games, with all the bells and whistles and options.
Or a series of collections.
A Daytona collection
A Sega Rally collection, etc
Re: Superdeluxe Announces Assault Suit Valken Declassified Deluxe Edition For Switch
@Daniel36
Fair enough
At the start of this year I wanted to make a dent in my backlog and finish at least 40 games.
When I hit that goal I decided to keep going, and I'm at 86 now.
Re: Are Nintendo's Legal "Ninjas" Stifling The Creativity Of Tomorrow's Game Makers?
@N00BiSH
Cause they strike hard and fade away again.
Re: Dragon Slayer: The Legend of Heroes 2 Is Out This Week On Nintendo Switch
@Zeebor15
Think kingdom hearts deranged play and story order gives it a run for its money.
Re: Superdeluxe Announces Assault Suit Valken Declassified Deluxe Edition For Switch
@Daniel36 I did play it for a bit, and it's a fun game, but there is way too much stuff demanding my attention.
Isn't that the same for all of us ?
I'm closing in on 90 games beat this year.
It's hardly made a dent in my backlog.
Re: Like A Dragon: Pirate Yakuza In Hawaii Will Mark The Home Debut Of This Sega Light Gun Coin-Op
That's cool and all but i'd rather see these games get released ina seperate collection.
And not embedded in a totally different game.
Yakuza/Like a Dragon, are fine games but i don't always want to boot up one of them trek to an arcade and then go through the motions just to play Daytona 2.
Re: Dragon Slayer: The Legend of Heroes 2 Is Out This Week On Nintendo Switch
@Daggot
Probably PC-98, those screen shots look way too good for the PC88.
PC88 graphics are unmistakable ( and they makes my eyes twitch)
Re: Evercade Owners Can Now Download The Dig Dug-Esque Action Game 'Murtop' For Free
And here I was setting my Evercade back up again after months of disuse.
Might as well grab it.
Re: Review: TrimUI Brick - A Perfectly Pocket-Friendly Emulation Option
Hooray, another one !
Lets hope they will ramp it up to 8 a month
However will we cope otherwise ?
Re: Sorry, But That Nightmarish Lara Croft PS1 Controller Isn't Real
First time i see it.
Hopefully it will also be the last.