Er no, especially given the inclusion of SMB and Doom on the list(amongst others). Neither were the first games of their type, but they defined their genre's for decades.
But hey, this is a list that includes Baldur's Gate 3. A successful and I understand very good game, but why was it even on the list, what has it had chance to influence since 2023?
@firenze "KOF 2000 was a strong and unexpected pick too - '98 and '02 always get more buzz, and sometimes we see compliations start with the first entry from a series"
On the other hand this is only going to cause problems going forward, because I can't see the not putting out another 4+ KOF's over time.
@Jarl76 "I mean, it called ORIGINS, not COMPLETE collection. Some people are just clueless...'
I don't know where to start with responding to this one.
There is an established precedent for including home versions of games alongside their arcade versions. So the complaint of home ports being omitted when their arcade parent is included , is a valid complaint.
As you say it's called Origins, which doesn't explain the presence of a completely new game. Just because this is called origins does not mean there will be further packs, it can either mean the Origin of the series or it can also mean its the first "volume", but we won't know about the latter until they announce it. This may or may not be a one off. So again this is a valid question to ask why a brand new game is on the "Origin" collection but existing games aren't.
Now you are right about latter games like Gradius III, but I would suggest that calling out other people as being clueless while at the same time showing your own lack of clue is not a good look.
@avcrypt The Storytelling for both Japan and Europe is well established and not hard to find, but Grubb is being overly defensive about people criticising his narrow minded outlook. A complete lack of engagement on his part and a doubling down on his own lack of understanding instead of educating himself.
What Grub has highlighted is that even in the modern age of ease of information and a wealth of material about the subject is that there is a heavy American influence on how the history of video games is told, and this constant suggestion that the Atari caused US crash was a worldwide issue when it simply was not the case (Famicom launched in June 83 for the record). Luckily Wikipedia is very clear in its opening sentence on the dedicated article that it was a US specific issue so that's something.
@AllieKitsune We don't expect anyone to understand what it was like, just to acknowledge that we did our own thing and that we were unaffected by Atari's incompetence. Same for Japan.
@RootsGenoa I remember seeing something about this a few months ago. The Nes was effectively dead in the Uk until TMNT, which was the first Nes game to get into the top 10 I believe, Four years after launch. Which shows you how up against it Nintendo was. It did improve but it was still dominated by the Master System.
The problem was largely because of the cost of the games. By the time the Mega Drive came out in Europe and started getting games that showed the power off the home computer market was ready to switch.
@IceClimbersMain It seems there are a lot of settings so if in doubt, try changing them. You should probably make sure you are using the CNN DLS4 model and not the Transformer model which will look better but might have too much overhead,
@Daniel36 It's difficult for any VN/ADV , eroge or not to qualify as an objectively bad game. Bad story and/or bad art yes but an actually bad game, less so.
@Bod2019 to be fair someone being filmed while having an elaborate make up application doesn’t seem that out of the ordinary if it’s someone you know.
It’s not like those TV programmes where the presenter has an awkward introduction with someone who clearly met them minutes ago when the tv film crew turned up to set up inside the house/whatever
That money spent grifting over trademarks and logos with lawyers was probably better spent coming up with different ones and putting that money into the actual game.
@firenze The lack of Japanese region selection on the Toaplan games is particularly noticeable. The Japanese versions of some of these games (Like Fire Shark) use a respawn system rather than the checkpoint system the overseas versions use which rather changes how you play the game.
@RetroGames If you download a rom of a game sold commercially it is usually either illegal to have, or legal to have if you physically own the item depending on your local law. And sometimes it depends on whether you actually made the file yourself from your own copy or not.
Unless you purchased that rom from the rights holders, which is possible with modern games made for old consoles in which case then obviously you own it.
If the game was never sold commercially and is freeware, then clearly you can do what you want.
Let's be honest, rom downloading services don't focus on these pesky details and laws and just treat everything the same regardless. Making a device that pings these services and downloads rom files you shouldn't bypasses the plausible deniability that comes from having people provide their own roms and is straight up enabling piracy.
You can bet Nintendo's ears would prick up at that, as is their right as the owners of any of their works violated in this manner. Whether people like it or not doesn't change anything, but of course that doesn't stop some people acting like Nintendo are the ones in the wrong and that all their IP is for everyone else to abuse. Most companies however don't really have the time or interest to deal with this sort of thing but that doesn't mean they won't join a multi company action
So really it depends, but mostly it's not a great idea to offer such a feature. The difference between allowing people to run roms and providing them with the roms is like night and day legally.
I think the problem with this argument is that Emulators themselves vary wildly in quality and accuracy and are full of hacky workarounds.
Yes cycle accurate emulators exist but you aren’t putting one of those on a pcb and they still won’t be perfect.
They are right that just because something is on an FPGA doesn’t make it perfect, but pretending to be the hardware is more accurate than guessing the results of what think the hardware is doing.
Anyway I’m confused as to why they are ranting about the definition of FPGA’s while building a me-too device FPGA device for an already flooded market of GB clones
I use a real MT-32 with my X68000 etc but this is a shame to see as I know this is fairly popular and not everyone can justify real hardware (or find it in some cases) . Vogons does as much harm as it does good, like so many communities. Some people really need to get some perspective. There isn't much you can do about 3d prints, that's just the nature of the beast, but all the other stuff is completely uncalled for.
@845H Honestly most of them are boring grey/beige cases really. NEC ones certainly go for the same sort of look as western computers of the day for the most part. It was mostly only Sharp* and Fujitsu that made an effort with their industrial design to get past that. Well, aside from MSX but that's more because certain companies tried to use the visuals as a distinguisher as much as the extra features.
*and even then some of the X1 models are as boring as much as some of them are visually impressive.
Ultimately I think the "office" computers had boring looks even in Japan whereas the computers aimed at "fun" were better looking.
@RupeeClock I believe the patents on things like motherboard design and such have all expired. Legal clones tend to appear after 25 years and as long as they don’t put Sonys branding trademarks on it then it’s fine. Using their code would be a big no-no but this is just a pcb.
The musical instrument industry clones stuff all the time.
Anyway there are multiple different board designs and I assume this will be an original one. No point recreating an existing board when one of the purposes is to document it.
That said I’m not sure I see the point in doing so. It’s not like capacitor leakage on to the pcb is a common issue and you still need original components.
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Re: Limited Run Games Is Releasing 'Doom + Doom II' In A Box That Can Run Doom
Given LRG's previous efforts, the Will it Run Doom version probably won't actually run Doom.
Re: Random: New Video Reimagines Indiana Jones & The Great Circle As A Classic LucasArts Adventure
They’ve absolutely nailed the look and also the interpretation of the original scenes
Re: BAFTA Crowns Shenmue "The Most Influential Video Game Of All Time" In Surprise Result
Er no, especially given the inclusion of SMB and Doom on the list(amongst others). Neither were the first games of their type, but they defined their genre's for decades.
But hey, this is a list that includes Baldur's Gate 3. A successful and I understand very good game, but why was it even on the list, what has it had chance to influence since 2023?
Re: Evercade's First Neo Geo Products Are A Handheld And Game Collection Cartridge
@firenze "KOF 2000 was a strong and unexpected pick too - '98 and '02 always get more buzz, and sometimes we see compliations start with the first entry from a series"
On the other hand this is only going to cause problems going forward, because I can't see the not putting out another 4+ KOF's over time.
Re: Some Fans Have Issues With Gradius Origins, And They Have A Point
@Jarl76 "I mean, it called ORIGINS, not COMPLETE collection. Some people are just clueless...'
I don't know where to start with responding to this one.
Now you are right about latter games like Gradius III, but I would suggest that calling out other people as being clueless while at the same time showing your own lack of clue is not a good look.
Re: "Poorly Analyzed US-Centric Garbage" - Why Do Americans Keep Ignoring European Gaming History?
@snk2d4life To be fair this and deadly drops of water are very valid criticisms we will accept.
Re: "Poorly Analyzed US-Centric Garbage" - Why Do Americans Keep Ignoring European Gaming History?
@avcrypt The Storytelling for both Japan and Europe is well established and not hard to find, but Grubb is being overly defensive about people criticising his narrow minded outlook. A complete lack of engagement on his part and a doubling down on his own lack of understanding instead of educating himself.
What Grub has highlighted is that even in the modern age of ease of information and a wealth of material about the subject is that there is a heavy American influence on how the history of video games is told, and this constant suggestion that the Atari caused US crash was a worldwide issue when it simply was not the case (Famicom launched in June 83 for the record). Luckily Wikipedia is very clear in its opening sentence on the dedicated article that it was a US specific issue so that's something.
Re: "Poorly Analyzed US-Centric Garbage" - Why Do Americans Keep Ignoring European Gaming History?
@AllieKitsune We don't expect anyone to understand what it was like, just to acknowledge that we did our own thing and that we were unaffected by Atari's incompetence. Same for Japan.
Re: "Poorly Analyzed US-Centric Garbage" - Why Do Americans Keep Ignoring European Gaming History?
@Yesterzine Yes it is always flabbergasting when someone tries to make amends…. By doubling down
Re: "Poorly Analyzed US-Centric Garbage" - Why Do Americans Keep Ignoring European Gaming History?
@RootsGenoa I remember seeing something about this a few months ago. The Nes was effectively dead in the Uk until TMNT, which was the first Nes game to get into the top 10 I believe, Four years after launch. Which shows you how up against it Nintendo was. It did improve but it was still dominated by the Master System.
The problem was largely because of the cost of the games. By the time the Mega Drive came out in Europe and started getting games that showed the power off the home computer market was ready to switch.
Re: "Poorly Analyzed US-Centric Garbage" - Why Do Americans Keep Ignoring European Gaming History?
Grub should go back to taking credit for things other people have told him. He clearly can’t do research of his own
Re: You Can Download The Community-Made Half-Life 2 RTX Demo Right Now
@IceClimbersMain It seems there are a lot of settings so if in doubt, try changing them. You should probably make sure you are using the CNN DLS4 model and not the Transformer model which will look better but might have too much overhead,
Re: Is This Really Japan's Worst Video Game?
@Daniel36 It's difficult for any VN/ADV , eroge or not to qualify as an objectively bad game. Bad story and/or bad art yes but an actually bad game, less so.
Re: This Insanely Good Final Fantasy Cosplay Has Nobuo Uematsu's Seal Of Approval
@Bod2019 to be fair someone being filmed while having an elaborate make up application doesn’t seem that out of the ordinary if it’s someone you know.
It’s not like those TV programmes where the presenter has an awkward introduction with someone who clearly met them minutes ago when the tv film crew turned up to set up inside the house/whatever
Re: Ultra Pro Wrestling Studio Claims To Have Bought The Trademarks For No Mercy Dev AKI, And Some People Are Confused
That money spent grifting over trademarks and logos with lawyers was probably better spent coming up with different ones and putting that money into the actual game.
Re: Acclaim Skirts Around The Issue Of Which Of Its Classic IP It Actually Has Access To
@avcrypt They learnt it from politicians
Re: Evercade's First Firmware Update Of 2025 Is Live
@firenze The lack of Japanese region selection on the Toaplan games is particularly noticeable. The Japanese versions of some of these games (Like Fire Shark) use a respawn system rather than the checkpoint system the overseas versions use which rather changes how you play the game.
Re: This $75 Handheld Could Be The Best Way To Emulate Nintendo DS In 2025
Another pointless attempt to copy a device that's already available cheaply and does the job perfectly.
Just hack an original machine guys.
Re: Company Behind The X68000 Z Range Wants To Know If Global Players Will Buy Them
No, but only because I’m lucky enough to have a real one
Re: "These Short Games Mean Nothing To Me" - Retro-Bit Translator Denies Wrongdoing In "Baffling" Rant
@BionicDodo NISA bought two Trails series translations from the group that fan translated them.
Re: This New Gibson Controller Will Work With Some Of Your Old PS3 Guitar Hero & Rock Band Games
Where s my non-reverse Thunderbird bass or a Firebird at? Gibson? CRKD? Hello?
Re: "These Short Games Mean Nothing To Me" - Retro-Bit Translator Denies Wrongdoing In "Baffling" Rant
Ah yes, the "well yes I was a dick but its not my fault even though it clearly is" excuse.
Also if you are selling something and you have paid an external person to work on the project, check their work!
Re: Anbernic's New Firmware Has Opened A Can Of Worms That Could Damage The Handheld Emulation Market
@RetroGames If you download a rom of a game sold commercially it is usually either illegal to have, or legal to have if you physically own the item depending on your local law. And sometimes it depends on whether you actually made the file yourself from your own copy or not.
Unless you purchased that rom from the rights holders, which is possible with modern games made for old consoles in which case then obviously you own it.
If the game was never sold commercially and is freeware, then clearly you can do what you want.
Let's be honest, rom downloading services don't focus on these pesky details and laws and just treat everything the same regardless. Making a device that pings these services and downloads rom files you shouldn't bypasses the plausible deniability that comes from having people provide their own roms and is straight up enabling piracy.
You can bet Nintendo's ears would prick up at that, as is their right as the owners of any of their works violated in this manner. Whether people like it or not doesn't change anything, but of course that doesn't stop some people acting like Nintendo are the ones in the wrong and that all their IP is for everyone else to abuse. Most companies however don't really have the time or interest to deal with this sort of thing but that doesn't mean they won't join a multi company action
So really it depends, but mostly it's not a great idea to offer such a feature. The difference between allowing people to run roms and providing them with the roms is like night and day legally.
Re: "Untouched" Fighting Vipers Cabs Discovered In Warehouse 30 Years On, But With A Catch
@slider1983 Model 2 so I would imagine the board is not cheap.
Re: Feature: The Tale Of Final Fantasy VII's Lost Prequel, And The Fans That Are Trying To Save It
@KingMike At one point there was talk of it being ported to 3DS, but clearly that never got anywhere.
Re: "This Cartridge Is A Tiny Time Bomb" - Limited Run Accused Of Selling Carts Which Can Damage Your NES
People really shouldn't give these charlatans any money.
Re: Creator Of New Open-Source Game Boy Disagrees That FPGA Is Superior To Software Emulation
I think the problem with this argument is that Emulators themselves vary wildly in quality and accuracy and are full of hacky workarounds.
Yes cycle accurate emulators exist but you aren’t putting one of those on a pcb and they still won’t be perfect.
They are right that just because something is on an FPGA doesn’t make it perfect, but pretending to be the hardware is more accurate than guessing the results of what think the hardware is doing.
Anyway I’m confused as to why they are ranting about the definition of FPGA’s while building a me-too device FPGA device for an already flooded market of GB clones
Re: "There Is Only So Much I Can Take" - Creator Of Roland MT-32 Emulator MT32-Pi Calls It A Day
I use a real MT-32 with my X68000 etc but this is a shame to see as I know this is fairly popular and not everyone can justify real hardware (or find it in some cases) . Vogons does as much harm as it does good, like so many communities. Some people really need to get some perspective. There isn't much you can do about 3d prints, that's just the nature of the beast, but all the other stuff is completely uncalled for.
Re: ZUIKI Reveals A Better Look At "The X68000 Z 2"
I must admit, midi and scsi make buying one to put next to my real one quite tempting, especially if its full size .
Re: ZUIKI Reveals A Better Look At "The X68000 Z 2"
@845H I made some edits that I think sum it up better.
Re: ZUIKI Reveals A Better Look At "The X68000 Z 2"
@845H Honestly most of them are boring grey/beige cases really. NEC ones certainly go for the same sort of look as western computers of the day for the most part. It was mostly only Sharp* and Fujitsu that made an effort with their industrial design to get past that. Well, aside from MSX but that's more because certain companies tried to use the visuals as a distinguisher as much as the extra features.
*and even then some of the X1 models are as boring as much as some of them are visually impressive.
Ultimately I think the "office" computers had boring looks even in Japan whereas the computers aimed at "fun" were better looking.
Re: Almost 20 Years After It Ended Production, A Brand-New PS1 Motherboard Is In Development
@RupeeClock I believe the patents on things like motherboard design and such have all expired. Legal clones tend to appear after 25 years and as long as they don’t put Sonys branding trademarks on it then it’s fine. Using their code would be a big no-no but this is just a pcb.
The musical instrument industry clones stuff all the time.
Anyway there are multiple different board designs and I assume this will be an original one. No point recreating an existing board when one of the purposes is to document it.
That said I’m not sure I see the point in doing so. It’s not like capacitor leakage on to the pcb is a common issue and you still need original components.