Maybe it's a "bad commercial". But all I can tell you is my friends and I in the schoolyard were all yelling "Octorocks!!!" for a week, and none of us knew what the hell that meant.
It's just... there are like a billion ways to play Othello.
There is another Othello game on Switch, and it is cheaper than the Arcade Archives release.
And if you're mad about classic board games and card games, then you probably already own Clubhouse Games: 51 Worldwide Classics, which has a version of Othello called Renegade.
What I find fascinating and VALUABLE in your data, is you've collated all the different lists, so as to create a more... Robust? Reliable? Averaged? Accurate? A better list, that softens over egregious entries in others, and helps raise other titles which maybe made the list at various places, but only lower down.
Yeah, it's like the wisdom of crowds jelly bean effect. If you take a big jar of jelly beans, and ask passersby to guess how many there are (winner gets a prize), and ask a large enough # of people, then even though some guesses will be bizarrely big and others bizarrely small, when you take the average of all the guesses, you'll get an eerily accurate answer.
Same kind of thing here. If you get someone dedicated enough to rank their top 50 favourite Genesis games, then you're getting a very well-informed opinion. Lump a bunch of those together and you'll get a good list.
What other systems did you research? Did you do the same as you did for the Mega Drive?
@Sketcz I think I've only posted my top NeoGeo games list on Reddit. Here are the Top 25 Genesis games since you're interested: 1.) Streets of Rage 2 / Bare Knuckle 2 2.) Sonic the Hedgehog 3 & Knuckles 3.) Sonic the Hedgehog 2 4.) Contra: Hard Corps 5.) Gunstar Heroes 6.) Sonic the Hedgehog 7.) Phantasy Star IV: The End of the Millennium 8.) Shinobi III: Return of the Ninja Master 9.) Shining Force II 10.) Beyond Oasis / The Story of Thor: A Successor of the Light 11.) Thunder Force IV / Lightening Force: Quest for the Darkstar 11.) Castlevania: Bloodlines 13.) Alien Soldier 14.) Rocket Knight Adventures 15.) Landstalker: The Treasures of King Nole 16.) Comix Zone 17.) Ristar 17.) M.U.S.H.A. / MUSHA Aleste 19.) Ranger X 20.) The Revenge of Shinobi / The Super Shinobi 21.) Dynamite Headdy 22.) Disney's Aladdin 23.) Castle of Illusion starring Mickey Mouse 24.) Road Rash II 24.) World of Illusion starring Mickey Mouse and Donald Duck
I believe 21 of those 25 are available on Switch. Only Ranger X, Road Rash II and the 2 Mickey games are currently lost to time.
I believe Hamster has said for Arcade Archives and Neo Geo games they are going to add online play for people who already own them, for an additional fee for each game.
As long as the fee is small, it seems like a plus to me.
I didn't even need to know that it goes bonkers. Just seeing that it was a shooting gallery game, where you can shoot to the background and, towards the screen in the FOREGROUND!?
"Pikachu, from the 'Pokemon' games, is a small and cute mouse-like creature, yellow, with sharp pointy ears, a tail shaped like a lightning bolt with a brown tip, and no weapons."
"Sparkit, from the 'Palworld' game, is a bipedal cat-like pal resembling a tiger or a tabby. Its body is covered with light yellow fur with a white muzzle. It has a bushy tail, and a big ****ing gun."
There are many thoughtful comments in this thread, and I think you really touched on something with “the internet taught me.” In my younger days, I was pretty vulnerable and definitely “unliked” a lot of things I personally loved because “the internet taught me” it sucks/is lame. Bands, movies, games. Took me longer than I’d care to admit to get over all that and just be true to myself. (At least I think that’s what you sort of meant. If I got it totally wrong, my apologies.)
Yeah, I think both things can be true. Like for example, Dragon's Lair was a phenomenon at the time. I remember first seeing it in a convenience store, a bunch of older teens crowded around it, but I got the full view from the 2nd monitor on top. "They're playing a cartoon?!?" The creator, Don Bluth, thought it was the future of video games. He was wrong of course, because the gameplay is very limited. But I'll be damned if it wasn't incredible at the time.
As for movie examples, Star Wars: Episode I has a consensus negative opinion now in retrospect. But it was all theatres PACKED with cheering crowds at the time. We were just happy to have a new Star Wars film for the first time after such a long wait since Jedi. That was when having more Star Wars movies to look forward to was not guaranteed!
Another one is Star Trek: Generations. Now it's looked at as "one of the odd numbered Trek movies to 'skip' ". But at the time? Picard and Kirk together? It was incredible. Also, that was the first time I downloaded a movie script from the Internet, BEFORE it hit theatres!
So, now I can intellectually accept criticisms of those things, but no one can take away the rush, the thrills, the happy memories that they gave me at the time, and still do nostalgically.
One day my friend called me and said "I got a Genesis!"
I biked right over and marveled at what I saw on the screen. It was Altered Beast. "It looks just like the arcade!" I exclaimed. The sprites were so massive compared to the NES that the quality of gameplay didn't matter. Actually it wasn't until years later that the Internet taught me that "Altered Beast sucks".
The game should begin with a non-playable scene, your character Simon walking into a room, a big build-up of Dracula appearing (flashy effects, doomy music), and then Simon throws a single bottle of holy water at him, defeating him instantly.
Then you just walk on, and start the actual gameplay.
I would blame TimeExtension, but apparently City Connection and Clear River Games also don't know the genre of the game they are making and announcing.
The original 3 games (and this one) are beat 'em ups. They are not fighters.
Interesting theme. But without solid gameplay mechanics, it would just be a gimmick...which is unfortunately what I assume it is.
Are the designers familiar with all the latest in modern "German-style" board and card games? And they made a wonderfully fun game that just happens to have this theme?
Or did they just say "Hey, let's create a video game brand-themed card game!" And then slapped some UNO-like game together?
Yeah, the people that throw a fit over $8 Arcade Archives prices are annoying, acting like it's some great injustice.
I don't mind people not thinking that's a good value for them though. Especially because there are 10 releases planned. For me that would be $100 CAD total. I'd rather wait 6 months (or whatever) to get them each for half off.
Because they aren't "A-tier" games, I think it would have been a better value and make more sense in a Jaleco curio bundle, like the Taito Milestones collections.
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Re: Taito Laserdisc Titles 'Ninja Hayate' & 'Time Gal' Are Heading To Steam Next Month
Cool. Never heard of any before outside of Dragon's Lair and Space Ace.
Re: Director Of PS1 Horror RPG Koudelka "Surprised" People Are Still Interested In It 25 Years Later
GameFaqs did a poll of the 100 Best PS1 Games. A few hundred people listed their Top 10 lists. They crunched the numbers and added it all up.
Koudelka ended up the #100 best PS1 game.
Re: Random: "This Is Not What We Were Expecting" - Ex-Nintendo Employee Shares The Story Behind Zelda's Early TV Ads
@HylianFox
Maybe it's a "bad commercial". But all I can tell you is my friends and I in the schoolyard were all yelling "Octorocks!!!" for a week, and none of us knew what the hell that meant.
Re: King Of Fighters '98 Is The First 'Arcade Archives 2 Neo Geo' Coming To PS5 & Xbox Series X|S
Cheap lot you guys are. I was excited for this news.
I bought Shin Megami Tensei V and then a year later had to dole out another $80 CAN for the better Vengeance version.
(when, I'm sure it comes to Switch 2) I'll gladly spend another $4 CAN to get online vs. play for the fighters.
Re: SNES Title 'Shounen Ninja Sasuke' Is Getting Its First Ever Western Release Later This Week
Woohoo! Super Famicom exclusiiiiiive!
Re: This Week's Arcade Archives Game May Be Worth Skipping
Razieluigi wrote:
There is another Othello game on Switch, and it is cheaper than the Arcade Archives release.
And if you're mad about classic board games and card games, then you probably already own Clubhouse Games: 51 Worldwide Classics, which has a version of Othello called Renegade.
Re: Konami's Adorable Action Puzzler 'Kitten Kaboodle' Is This Week's Arcade Archives Release
@Teksette
Yeah I guess the address in the permanent Chrome tab I had just quit on me for some reason. Went through your link and all is well again. Thanks!
Re: Konami's Adorable Action Puzzler 'Kitten Kaboodle' Is This Week's Arcade Archives Release
Has hamster's website been down for a week or 2? Or is it just me?
Anyway, thankful to see this article, since the website is not available to me.
Re: Random: Dive Into The World Of '90s Speedrunning With This New Retro Retrospective
When I heard that someone beat Super Mario 64 in 10 seconds or whatever, it doesn't impress me at all.
I am all for no-glitch speedrunning rules.
Re: The Making Of: James Pond: Codename Robocod
Glad you found it interesting!
Sketcz wrote:
Yeah, it's like the wisdom of crowds jelly bean effect. If you take a big jar of jelly beans, and ask passersby to guess how many there are (winner gets a prize), and ask a large enough # of people, then even though some guesses will be bizarrely big and others bizarrely small, when you take the average of all the guesses, you'll get an eerily accurate answer.
Same kind of thing here. If you get someone dedicated enough to rank their top 50 favourite Genesis games, then you're getting a very well-informed opinion. Lump a bunch of those together and you'll get a good list.
Yeah I did a few others.
Here is Top 20 Sega Master System Games:
https://www.reddit.com/r/retrogaming/comments/hp5uqx/top_20_best_sega_master_system_games/
Here is Top 26 Best Neo Geo Games:
https://www.reddit.com/r/retrogaming/comments/opyoi3/26_best_neo_geo_games/
I also just did a TurboGrafx-16 / PC Engine list. I can type that out if you'd like.
Yup. Since I made them, some of them have disappeared or been changed.
Re: The Making Of: James Pond: Codename Robocod
@Sketcz
I think I've only posted my top NeoGeo games list on Reddit.
Here are the Top 25 Genesis games since you're interested:
1.) Streets of Rage 2 / Bare Knuckle 2
2.) Sonic the Hedgehog 3 & Knuckles
3.) Sonic the Hedgehog 2
4.) Contra: Hard Corps
5.) Gunstar Heroes
6.) Sonic the Hedgehog
7.) Phantasy Star IV: The End of the Millennium
8.) Shinobi III: Return of the Ninja Master
9.) Shining Force II
10.) Beyond Oasis / The Story of Thor: A Successor of the Light
11.) Thunder Force IV / Lightening Force: Quest for the Darkstar
11.) Castlevania: Bloodlines
13.) Alien Soldier
14.) Rocket Knight Adventures
15.) Landstalker: The Treasures of King Nole
16.) Comix Zone
17.) Ristar
17.) M.U.S.H.A. / MUSHA Aleste
19.) Ranger X
20.) The Revenge of Shinobi / The Super Shinobi
21.) Dynamite Headdy
22.) Disney's Aladdin
23.) Castle of Illusion starring Mickey Mouse
24.) Road Rash II
24.) World of Illusion starring Mickey Mouse and Donald Duck
I believe 21 of those 25 are available on Switch. Only Ranger X, Road Rash II and the 2 Mickey games are currently lost to time.
Re: Dino Crisis And Its Sequel Dino Crisis 2 Are Now Available On GOG
@845H
Looking at the original review scores, Playstation versions are the best and PC versions are the worst.
I'd like to own both of these games, but am waiting to see if these improved GOG releases improve the original PC versions enough...
Re: Compile's MSX Classic 'Zanac' Arrives On Nintendo Switch Today
I'll wait for the NES version I think. This looks pretty rudimentary.
Re: Tecmo's 1992 Shoot 'Em Up 'Final Star Force' Is Heading To Arcade Archives
I have heard this game described as "bad".
And that the other games in the series are better.
Re: "Bravo, SNK! What A Greedy Company!" - King Of Fighters XIII Global Match's Steam Launch Has Upset Fans
I believe Hamster has said for Arcade Archives and Neo Geo games they are going to add online play for people who already own them, for an additional fee for each game.
As long as the fee is small, it seems like a plus to me.
Re: Discovery's 'Game Changers' Series Under Fire For Using Historian Kate Willaert's Work Without Credit
Ah, I missed this series! I enjoyed the "Toys that Made Us" and "How Disney Built America" series.
Re: Four King Of Fighters Classics Are Getting Limited Editions Across PS4 And Switch
Zeebor15 wrote:
Here's the best poll I found:
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/181157-the-king-of-fighters-xiv/74794659
Re: The Best Retro Gaming Christmas Gift Ideas For 2024
Your console book looks good. I'm always up for a good video game history book.
The NES coasters and the Pac-Man tree maze shirt look fun too.
Re: Random House's PC-88 RPG 'Riglas' Arrives On Nintendo Switch Today
@jesse_dylan
Yeah, someone is going to look at the # of buys of these and say: "Well, I guess no one was interested in these ancient Japanese-exclusive games..."
No, we just want to be able to play them without having to learn Japanese.
Re: Atari Is Releasing A New 7800+ Port Of The Miner 2049er Sequel 'Bounty Bob Strikes Back!'
I remember Miner 2049er on ColecoVision.
Weird when they make sequels and change the name up so much that it's unrecognizable.
Re: Yes, id Software's John Carmack Was Barred From Buying A Ferrari
The highest speed limit in America is 85mph.
I'm sure a Ferrari off the lot can do 85 yes?
So why would you bother going through the effort and cost to make your car faster when you can't drive it anywhere at that speed?
(if you can't tell, I'm not a "car guy")
Re: Irem Collection Volume 2 Finally Gets Western Release Date After Delay
It's Air Duel not Air Dual.
Re: This Week's Arcade Archives Release Is Tecmo's Crosshair Shooter 'Riot'
@PKDuckman
I didn't even need to know that it goes bonkers. Just seeing that it was a shooting gallery game, where you can shoot to the background and, towards the screen in the FOREGROUND!?
So cool! Also, the cutscenes look badass.
Re: A Rare VHS From Data East & Capcom's 'Fighter's History' Trial Has Been Found
Coming soon to a VHS tape near you:
"Pikachu, from the 'Pokemon' games, is a small and cute mouse-like creature, yellow, with sharp pointy ears, a tail shaped like a lightning bolt with a brown tip, and no weapons."
"Sparkit, from the 'Palworld' game, is a bipedal cat-like pal resembling a tiger or a tabby. Its body is covered with light yellow fur with a white muzzle. It has a bushy tail, and a big ****ing gun."
Re: Random: That Time Sega Got Donald Duck In Trouble With Disney For Animal Cruelty
This animal stuff all makes more sense than when McDonald's freaked out that Ronald was collecting hamburgers "on the ground".
Re: New EGM Compendium Project Smashes Kickstarter Target In Under 24 Hours
"Gaming magazines are no more. But don't worry...they'll come back as books!"
I'll get this. Looking forward to hearing that it is on the market.
Re: Talking Point: Is There Such A Thing As "Bad" Nostalgia?
bobby_steurer wrote:
Yeah, I think both things can be true. Like for example, Dragon's Lair was a phenomenon at the time. I remember first seeing it in a convenience store, a bunch of older teens crowded around it, but I got the full view from the 2nd monitor on top. "They're playing a cartoon?!?" The creator, Don Bluth, thought it was the future of video games. He was wrong of course, because the gameplay is very limited. But I'll be damned if it wasn't incredible at the time.
As for movie examples, Star Wars: Episode I has a consensus negative opinion now in retrospect. But it was all theatres PACKED with cheering crowds at the time. We were just happy to have a new Star Wars film for the first time after such a long wait since Jedi. That was when having more Star Wars movies to look forward to was not guaranteed!
Another one is Star Trek: Generations. Now it's looked at as "one of the odd numbered Trek movies to 'skip' ". But at the time? Picard and Kirk together? It was incredible. Also, that was the first time I downloaded a movie script from the Internet, BEFORE it hit theatres!
So, now I can intellectually accept criticisms of those things, but no one can take away the rush, the thrills, the happy memories that they gave me at the time, and still do nostalgically.
Re: Talking Point: Is There Such A Thing As "Bad" Nostalgia?
One day my friend called me and said "I got a Genesis!"
I biked right over and marveled at what I saw on the screen.
It was Altered Beast. "It looks just like the arcade!" I exclaimed. The sprites were so massive compared to the NES that the quality of gameplay didn't matter. Actually it wasn't until years later that the Internet taught me that "Altered Beast sucks".
Re: Interview: "We Were World Leaders" - The History Of System 3 And The Last Ninja
I run a weekly retro video game poll on Reddit.
For the NES/Master System Era, "International Karate +" ended up #74.
Re: More Taito Arcade Archives Games Are Now On Sale On PS4 & The Switch eShop
@Teksetter
Ah, you're right. The Darius Cozmic Collection Arcade collection has the 2-screen version.
The Taito Milestones 2 collection, like the Arcade Archives individual release, has the 3-screen version.
Re: Jaleco's 'Saiyūki World', 'Magic John', & 'Pizza Pop!' Are Coming To Nintendo Switch
Japan-exclusive! Yeah!
Re: More Taito Arcade Archives Games Are Now On Sale On PS4 & The Switch eShop
@Teksetter
Darius II is also in the Darius Cozmic Collection Arcade and Taito Milestones 2 collections.
Re: Edia's 'Tenshi No Uta Collection' Is Out Now On The Switch eShop In Japan
Former Japan exclusives for the TurboGrafx-16 Super CD-ROM²
First time released in the West, so they will be mine!
Re: Namco's Tank Shooter Game 'VS. Battle City' Is Coming To Switch & PS4 This Week
@DestructoDisk
Yup. Namco Museum.
Re: The Making Of: Do Me A Favour (Sega Master Mix '90) - Sega's Fan-Made Rap Masterpiece
They sound a lot like Slick Rick.
Re: Three Classic Midway / Williams Arcade Games Are Coming To Analogue Pocket Soon
I've been hoping for Bally/Midway/Williams games to come to Switch for so long.....
Re: Gallery: The Console Chronicles Is Rather Lovely, If We Do Say So Ourselves
@Moochy
I haven't read it, but I got the sense that Reggie's book was a "pep talk" book.
"How I became CEO of Nintendo and how you can too!"
Re: A Bunch Of King Of Fighters Games Are Currently 50% Off On Switch, Xbox One, And PS4
THE KING OF FIGHTERS XIII GLOBAL MATCH is also 20% off, on sale for the first time on Switch.
Re: Star Fox Studio Argonaut Is Back, And It's Remastering Croc
I think this is an example of: "WOW! I remember that game!"
And not so much: "That was a great game!"
Re: Interview: How Retroware's Castlevania Parody 'The Translyvania Adventure of Simon Quest' Pokes Fun At Konami's Series
The game should begin with a non-playable scene, your character Simon walking into a room, a big build-up of Dracula appearing (flashy effects, doomy music), and then Simon throws a single bottle of holy water at him, defeating him instantly.
Then you just walk on, and start the actual gameplay.
Re: Nihon Falcom's 'Star Trader' & 'Xanadu Scenario II' Are Coming To Switch
How much Japanese is required to play them?
Are either recommended for English speakers?
Re: SNES Fighter Rushing Beat Is Getting A New Entry, 'Rushing Beat X: Return Of Brawl Brothers'
I would blame TimeExtension, but apparently City Connection and Clear River Games also don't know the genre of the game they are making and announcing.
The original 3 games (and this one) are beat 'em ups. They are not fighters.
Re: Chicago Museum To Hold Arcade Exhibit On Mortal Kombat & NBA Jam Developer Midway
And Tron, Discs of Tron, Spy Hunter, Rampage...
Re: New Book Dives Into The History Of Classic '80s Arcade Games
720° and Defender still not on Switch.
Don't the rights holders know that we want these Midway/Williams/etc. games?
Re: Console Wars The Card Game Aims To Turn Fan Toxicity Into Something Positive
Interesting theme. But without solid gameplay mechanics, it would just be a gimmick...which is unfortunately what I assume it is.
Are the designers familiar with all the latest in modern "German-style" board and card games? And they made a wonderfully fun game that just happens to have this theme?
Or did they just say "Hey, let's create a video game brand-themed card game!" And then slapped some UNO-like game together?
Re: SNK Vs. Capcom's Promotional Artwork Has Been Censored To Cover Mai's Modesty
Removed
Re: JALECOlle Famicom Edition Brings Jaleco NES Classics To Switch
@jesse_dylan
Yes, I am always intrigued by the former Japan-exclusives. I like to hope that they are all "lost classics" just waiting for me to discover.
Even if they are just weird curios, that's fun too!
Re: JALECOlle Famicom Edition Brings Jaleco NES Classics To Switch
@jesse_dylan
Yeah, the people that throw a fit over $8 Arcade Archives prices are annoying, acting like it's some great injustice.
I don't mind people not thinking that's a good value for them though. Especially because there are 10 releases planned. For me that would be $100 CAD total. I'd rather wait 6 months (or whatever) to get them each for half off.
Because they aren't "A-tier" games, I think it would have been a better value and make more sense in a Jaleco curio bundle, like the Taito Milestones collections.
Re: The Game That Inspired The Term 'Roguelike' Is Now Available On Switch
Got it on Steam and I'll get it on Switch.
Re: Konami's Jackal Hits Arcade Archives On Switch And PS4 This Week
Teksetter wrote:
I remember it in arcades. But it seemed like EVERYONE either had Jackal for NES, or lived next to someone that did.
I've hoped this would hit Switch for a while now!